Anony Mous

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  Retirement savings

  by TxNVSue2023 in

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  what's the current jw stance on retirement savings?

  i know it changed.

  pre1975 it was an attitude of "don't worry about retirement, this system is ending soon".

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  As far as I know, they still do not recommend large savings plans, they still promote part time work for pioneering and I known quite a few people that still have nothing prepared even though they are soon or already have entered retirement age.

  If anything, if you have a large pension plan, they would rather you take out money of your 401k to give to the construction of a hall (and I know idiots that have), which they will then resell 10-15 years down the road.

  The problem in a cult is always that of mobility, whether it be physical or financial. If you give people the freedom to be mobile, it will be easier for them to act upon that mobility, whether it is through doubts or other issues. If you have no money and have been taught to ‘rely on Jehoober’, like people on welfare, they will always have to rely on Jehoober, there is no other viable option.

  If you are a pioneer and you get older, even if you have doubts, the elder kid is cutting your lawn, someone gives you a beat up old car and someone fixes it for you, if you act upon your doubts, you instantly lose access to that and replacing it can be difficult, so you lie to yourself and now even your doubts and outright criminal activity happens in the halls, you have to rely on Jehoober to fix it, because you can’t see how to fix it yourself.
  
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  JW Elder Sentenced for CSA

  by EasyPrompt in

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  https://www.westernmassnews.com/2023/09/01/jehovah-witness-elder-sentenced-jail-child-sexual-abuse-case/?outputtype=amp.

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  Various issues here:

  The guy gets sentenced to 100+ years in prison in 1987, he’s free before even serving a full single sentence.

  Then he becomes a JW, within less than 10 years he makes it as an elder, despite his background, despite his status as a permanently registered sex offender, gets special approval by the Service Department. Then he gets only a 15 year sentence.

  Both the state and the WTBTS are to blame here, this person does not deserve to be free after just 20 years or a lesser sentence of 15 years for re-offending. He is the personification of what is wrong with modern social justice, and the WTBTS is going along with this social justice because men willing to step up are so scarce, they are special-approving level 3, fresh out of jail sex offenders.
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  Sign of the Last Days

  by Fisherman in

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  2. beliefs

  in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

  using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

  how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

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  @BoogerMan: at no point in history nor in any point in the future will ALL governments pass power to a single entity. There is always at least 1 (but likely more) people in or in the ascension of power that this will never happen, yes, a group of governments may decide to give up their power (eg. EU) but someone will always recognize the power of being different (that was the Balkan countries or the Swiss)
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  Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

  the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

  he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

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  @SeaBreeze: you continue quoting an old translation (KJV) that has no bearing on the actual Hebrew text. As I said, Jews do not believe the separation of soul in the way you describe based on the same scripture. KJV mistranslates 3 different Hebrew words as the separable soul. Hence my retort, do you believe the same words used in other scriptures apply to the separable soul as well? Do you believe animals and the wind have separable souls?

  As far as your retort on photons, photons (theoretically) have all their mass into energy. If you conclude from this, the soul is a massless energy, you should be able to measure it empirically. Feel free to point me to actual scientific research on photons leaving the body directed towards heaven or hell.

  However, the photon has zero invariant or rest mass. This is an invariant of an object which is defined as follows:

  The rest mass (m0m0​) of a particle is a quantity having the dimensions of mass which is invariant in all reference frames and satisfies m02c2=(Ec)2−∥p∥2m02​c2=(cE​)2−∥p∥2

  For most other particles, it can be thought of as the mass observed from a frame of reference where the particle is at rest. Or, we could think of it as the mass not attributed to the kinetic energy, but the particle itself. If there was a way (there isn't; special relativity prohibits it) to observe a photon at rest, you would find it massless. All the relativistic mass of the photon comes from it's energy.

  Moreover, information does have mass as I linked a paper on it. This is also a direct result of relativism and has been known since the 60s. An ‘idea’ has mass. Do the blocks with the number 3 printed on it not have mass? Yes, thus the idea of the number three is a representation/description of something physical. The soul, most religions do not believe in it, it isn’t physical, it’s an idea with no grounding in fact.
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  Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

  the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

  he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

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  @SeaBreeze: I contradicted you by explaining the wrong translation from original Hebrew. Everywhere in Genesis nefesh is used which is used for any living person or being, including animals which in Christian tradition do not have souls. You have to do a bit better than misquoting a particular scripture which doesn’t even talk about souls and doesn’t even have a common translation. The only mention of death in Gen 25:18 is KJV which is not a proper translation by any means, no other translation mentions the death of Ishmael.

  Information does have mass per the work of Claude Shannon and Rolf Landauer by the principles of whose theories you are currently even capable of writing your message on these forums. The idea that information has no mass has been outdated for well over 60 years https://pubs.aip.org/aip/adv/article/9/9/095206/1076232/The-mass-energy-information-equivalence-principle#

  Edit: I think you were talking about Gen 35:18, once again you are basing your ideas on the concept INTRODUCED by the KJV that ‘the soul was leaving her body’, more accurate translation simply state “As she took her last breath”. The word used nefesh is also used in Gen 1:20, 9:10 etc which is not applicable to the idea of a uniquely human soul that is separate from the body. I don’t see any translation that supports that idea.
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  Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

  the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

  he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

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  @Sea Breeze: information (energy or the reduction of entropy) does have mass, that’s the whole idea behind E=MC2

  The information on a hard drive or in a brain however is just storage, both the existence or lack of useful/structured information is information in itself (eg. If you have a (partially) blank drive, you can infer knowledge about the use of the drive for example).

  Things like logical constructs and language are related to the physical, the soul as you describe is metaphysical and very much a Christian idea, based on Plato’s teachings, most other religions do not share the same ideas. Other religions (eg. Judaism) does not share the modern idea of the Christian soul, the Hebrew Scriptures do not support the translation of the single word “soul”, which is an invention of Medieval Christianity, rather the original text has Neshamah (life itself, the human animating force) Nefesh (living person related to its material needs) and Ruach (a divine animating force) but nowhere do these seem to indicate a separate being, although life force in later scriptures can return to God, it does not seem to imply a personality or connectedness to the individual or body (more a ‘conservation of energy’ type deal).
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  My granddaughter 5 mos old passed away today...

  by Tatiana in

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  2. friends

  she was beautiful.

  her name was aliyah.

  she would have been 5 mos tomorrow.

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  Very tasteless to resurrect an old thread like this, regardless of your bad science. There is sufficient data to talk about in another topic.
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  No news on Maui?

  by Anony Mous in

  1. social
  2. current

  i haven’t heard a peep from any jw family about maui.

  must not’ve had much witlesses there, on jwtalk there is one fella says .

  we lost no friends!

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  I haven’t heard a peep from any JW family about Maui. Must not’ve had much witlesses there, on JWtalk there is one fella says

  We lost no friends! Kingdom halls intact, and other buildings used by the Society. Praise Jah!

  100s dead and thousands still missing, but we are okay, so f- you.

  On JW News: Circuit overseers and local elders are providing practical and spiritual assistance to those in the affected areas Additional humanitarian aid is being organized for those in need.

  No link to donate to other organizations like Red Cross, again, a giant middle finger. Gangs are looting and robbing aid convoys according to various news sources, we’re happy our buildings are still standing.

  I remember back in the day, we’d get instant calls and announcements to collect actual aid items like blankets, now it’s not even worthy of a special donation?
  
  
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  Original Gilead Building

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  recent photo:.

  near ithaca ny.

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  NYS DoC at the place is very fitting, given the problems the organization is having with CSA. The original printing place of the Zion’s Watch Tower in Rochester, NY is now an institute for the blind and the Watchtower sign in Brooklyn was replaced with a red Welcome sign. If I believed in a god…
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  Ivana Trump grave at Trump's golf course

  by SydBarrett in

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  2. friends

  people who dislike trump will see this as an eyesore and an insult to his first wife and the mother of his 3 children.people who support trump will describe this as a beautiful natural setting, like a woodland.

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  Maybe mom wasn’t so great (there is some evidence to that). I wouldn’t care for most people in my family’s graves, especially since some of them I haven’t talked to in decades (due to JW shenanigans). It seems Ivana admitted herself that she basically distanced herself after they were grown up and there is no evidence that they had a ‘real close’ relationship around the time of her death.

  I think this goes to show more that you can’t control what happens after your death, people will eventually forget about you, all our graves will eventually look like that and in many places, at some point we’ll be dug up and moved to make room for other priorities.